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As much as I like the authentic BBC cars of 1966, I have chosen to re-build my 66 Biscayne with what's available in my budget.  My 283/PG will go in the corner along with the OEM differential.  Along with upgrading to disc brakes, I will be installing a built turbo 400 and a BBC that just kind of fell in my lap.  I have never liked building a motor from scratch.  There are so many incidental expenses.  I looked for the better part of a year for that slightly used 396/427, 350+hp but it just never appeared.  Meant a new guy a couple weeks ago and he had just sold his 58 Chevy.  He had built a 454 from bare block to 500-550hp, square port heads, demon 850 cfm, roller rockers & comp cam.  11.0 to 1 compression.  Motor had been fired once, then removed from the 58 as the new buyer did not want the new motor.  Over a period of a couple weeks, I considered this motor for my 66.  Eventually the owner came to me with an offer I couldn't refuse.  So the Biscayne will have a BBC just a 454 rather than the planned 396/427.  I did locate a good 12 bolt, 3 series differential with all 4 control arms and that will be installed along with the 454/turbo 400 combo.  I think I will leave the column shifter for a bit of a sleeper look.

I look forward to taking it to Mid-Michigan Motorplex next year for a little test and tune.



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Awesome keep us "posted" with pictures and updates on the progress

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That is great. going to be sweet when you are done. Can not wait to see some photos when you pick it up.

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Dress it up as a 396 or 427 and nobody will know you've done it.

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Darth wrote:

Dress it up as a 396 or 427 and nobody will know you've done it.


 Exactly!  Put a short water pump on it with the alternator on the driver side and no one will know unless you tell them.  And if some asks, in a true sleeper tradition, just smile.  Or you can tell them if's a stroked 427.



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Sounds great, bigger is better! I'm sure you'll love the 454. Just remember if you already bought ancillary parts Luke flexplate or harmonic balancer for the 396-427, now you need external balance parts for the 454. The car will be a monster with that 454 :)

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That is exactly what I bought and I was surprised when I checked their eBay feedback that some people were complaining about the fit and quality of their parts.  I think I will get mine installed before you so I will post feedback on the parts.



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Pleasantly surprised when I laid eyes on the 454 yesterday that among other things it came with a flexplate on it.  The seller told me, just put it in the car and everything is there to start it up and run.  It had stock exhaust manifolds and my car has dual exhaust so I think initially I will just connect the manifolds to exhaust and fire it up.  I'm on my way to TRM today to pick up the trans, yoke, cooler, flex dip stick, etc, etc.



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I'm very pleased to get this feedback as I've always been honest with information on my cars.   I started my real relationship with muscle cars in 1964 and street raced all summer of 1965 so I will admit to not always being honest and up front with information on our cars.  With that thought in mind, I might even be so bold as to put 427 flags on the Biscayne and thanks for the tips on appearance.

I love the 2dr post sleeper cars but today that is not a high dollar build.  What I see is all these new guys wanting to build LS powered cars.  At the shop there are LS3 motor's sitting around waiting to be installed in ground up builds.  I learned yesterday of a build in progress that the owner just said enough he had ten's of thousands of dollars invested in a car that just doesn't warrant that kind of money.  Now, he is faced with a stripped body in primer with all new high dollar suspension and boxes and boxes of new parts that will never be installed.  I for one can not afford to put $30k in a car that will top out at $20-25.  I like so many different cars that when my projects are done, I need to be able to get out of them and go on to the next new one.  I can't wait to stand on the gas with the Biscayne.  That for me is what it is all about.

 



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Yep, sad to say but unless it's a 1969 Chevelle SS 396 2 door post or some other supercar version of a 2 door post, the low returns are the price for being different and committing to  "plain is cool." guess it's the price of admission. But forget all that for now, in fact, you WILL forget all that once you stand on that gas pedal with the new 454, the smile will be "perma-grin" with 500hp at your toes!



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Well said Kevin....most of US....are in the game for the Love and the Passion....not to get rich. But having said that.....I work for clients that are on the other spectrum....I know from experience....if you buy the right car....it`s Money in The Bank But for most that reality is now out of reach.

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Amen to that.  Today's world is all about specialty builds and if you can afford that, good for you.  If you love that car for 100-150k enjoy your life.  If your like me and love cars of all sorts and you need the money out of the 1st build to finance the 2nd, good luck with that, for most it will not happen.

I was in a similar situation to you when I was transporting antique and classic cars.  I had customers that I soon learned were in another league than I was.  I found they could pay 10-20k for a project with good provenance, then put 50k in a restoration and their car buddy's would pay 100k for the car a year later.  I learned it is all relative.  If 100k to them is like 10k to me, they can play in that world.  I had some experience with that at the Muscle Car show in Chicago in Nov.  There are the guys that just so happened to buy a Yenko or Hemi Cuda back in the day and still own it.  Those guys are allowed in the Big Leagues but only as long as they own that car from their past.  It seems that sooner or later one of the guys collecting Super Cars will buy them out.  The guys with 100k pocket change will own collections and guys like me are not allowed in their world.  These guys will trade cars back and forth because they trust each other and they trust the fact the seller had good work done by a reputable shop.  

There is one exception to that rule, if the guy in question, big money or not, is in the business of buying and selling he is allowed to play in their world but not trusted quite as much.    

I do not harbor any ill will against the guys in the Big Leagues of Collecting.  My experience has for the most part been positive when dealing with there guys.  For me, I just had to adjust and realize that I could work for these guys and share in the Car Guy culture but at the end of the day, I worked for them and in their eyes we were not equals. 



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If I choose to go for an original look, there are a few changes to be made.  I kind of hate to remove the serpentine system as it is an upgrade and not bad looking.  Another tough choice is I have the matching air cleaner available for the edlebrock valve covers.  Again, if I choose to dress the engine compartment as a 66 OEM 427, it may be a little pricey and getting rid of some otherwise good parts.  I bought a set of OEM BBC valve covers, then realized this motor requires the tall valve covers.

Initial installation will be as is in order to fire it up and check everything over.  Any cosmetic changes will not happen until I return from Florida in the spring.

 



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You can always go for a Day 2 style, but the serpentine set up would not work for that if you were trying to be close to period correct. A set of M/T valve covers could be tall enough. In any case it will be a cool ride!

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