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well - guess I owe ya'll an update - haven't posted  too much since the intro deal back when I got the car.

Drove my LS3 motor down to Irving TX - it was kinda rough on the outside - made the decision to get a new GMPP LS3 block - it went to the machine shop - as did the heads ( 2 diff shops...)

Diamond Pistons - Eagle H beam rods - Eagle crank - it's right at  425 or so CID with the bore/stroke combo.

Car gets blown apart this Saturday and up on the rotisserie ( I Hope) and wet blast should go down shortly - Nantucket Blue outside and Med Fawn inside to be squirted - lizard skin underneath...frame - just plain ol black..

 I've stacked up parts - powerplant etc... interior pieces out to get redone/reupholstered/renewed - have 9" and suspension/brake parts inbound and hopefully can install once each step is done...***.note to self - order wheels from Stockton...***

gonna open up the rear wheelwells a bit - get 10" steelies back in there ( Gotta have some tire to stick this critter!) - prob cut an elongated football shape in the top curve and pull em out a little and not have to move the deck lid bracketry...keyword is subtle...we'll see how that ends up going. Kinda jonesin on one of those Dakota Digital dash stock lookin clusters... we will see there also....

I did get my sentimental parts made - the dealer badge from here in OKC that hasn't existed since 1980. originals were cast - had this one lasered out, polished , engraved and plated - made from a picture someone sent me with a ruler as reference!  If you've read my other junk you'll know the attachment there. ( I'm actually most stoked about it goin on the car than anything else... it's a huge deal to me! LOL)

anyway - picture feast to tide folks over - mostly motor, the exciting stuff will be tacked on later as I go.

 



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That's a good lookin' mill. Will you paint it classic Chevy Orange or keep it natural aluminum?

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the intake is powder coated semi gloss black - engine will go Chebbie Orange - Valve covers - definitely Orange ( w blk chevrolet script - might even get the SBC valve cover adapter plates and try to sneak by a few folks...) did get to swap a few emails w Ken ( kwhizz on the chevytalk forum) and he's given me some good direction on fitment items - still may be the only hardheaded freak who is carbing an LS - I'll know more on the hood clearance once I get the chassis assembled around the motor... the feel i'm trying for is if there was an LS option in this car back in 67...nuthin flashy, just all simple, ordinary but hidden subtleties...

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Ken is the Master of the LS for all Biscayne's, Belair's, Impala's and Caprice's

I think later down the road you will change your mind and remove the carb off your LS

Looking great! Well done.

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Timbo405 wrote:

the intake is powder coated semi gloss black - engine will go Chebbie Orange - Valve covers - definitely Orange ( w blk chevrolet script - might even get the SBC valve cover adapter plates and try to sneak by a few folks...) did get to swap a few emails w Ken ( kwhizz on the chevytalk forum) and he's given me some good direction on fitment items - still may be the only hardheaded freak who is carbing an LS - I'll know more on the hood clearance once I get the chassis assembled around the motor... the feel i'm trying for is if there was an LS option in this car back in 67...nuthin flashy, just all simple, ordinary but hidden subtleties...


 Not the only one, I have contemplated doing the same. I have heard the EFI system on the LS engines is VERY reliable offering substantial fuel savings with great HP possibilities.

I am curious however, to know what the average mileage numbers are for those that ARE running the carbed version...



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I'm kinda curious what it'll be too. Be nice to get above 7-8...but then again, it's not about the mileage, it's about the fun!

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Being an LS swapper myself, I am watching your progress with great interest. So many innovations have come around since I did mine 10+ years ago. I think one of the keys to better fuel mileage with EFI or Carb is running through an overdrive transmission. I don't recall which trans you are planning to use, but being able to shift at least one more time after you get to 1-1 sure makes a difference. And, I think your displacement will be close enough to proudly wear 427 flags.



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Going w a 700R4 - 4:11 rear.  Learned a lesson on my little red truck - went 3:73 w the 700R4 I put in it at first - 4th gear rpm at 70 was a little too low for my liking even for a hot street cruiser -

The Carb on this thing is a bbbbig! David Cook carb - he did whatever he does to match it to the motor parameters etc and also made it safe to throw any ***vomit*** ethanol fuel just in case of accessibility on the road - w/o being detrimental to how it functions on  VP110 or the like... not expecting a real low consumption rate lol but she will drive  to TVRP once in a while to stretch those legs out... again - obnoxious daily driver with a/c and some great getupngo  mileage be damned!

 

 



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Do you already have the 700R4? If not, you might look at a 4L80E. Similar gear ratios, very strong and you can adjust shift points with computer tuning. Or if you really want to step up, think about a 6L80E.

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Timbo405 wrote:

I'm kinda curious what it'll be too. Be nice to get above 7-8...but then again, it's not about the mileage, it's about the fun!


 SO VERY TRUE! I wish the wife could wrap her mind around that fact...



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Timbo405 wrote:

Going w a 700R4 - 4:11 rear.  Learned a lesson on my little red truck - went 3:73 w the 700R4 I put in it at first - 4th gear rpm at 70 was a little too low for my liking even for a hot street cruiser -

The Carb on this thing is a bbbbig! David Cook carb - he did whatever he does to match it to the motor parameters etc and also made it safe to throw any ***vomit*** ethanol fuel just in case of accessibility on the road - w/o being detrimental to how it functions on  VP110 or the like... not expecting a real low consumption rate lol but she will drive  to TVRP once in a while to stretch those legs out... again - obnoxious daily driver with a/c and some great getupngo  mileage be damned!

 

 


  I have a Glide in my Biscayne right now, but a 700R4 is on the shelf for future consideration. I also recently acquired a 3:73 posi for it too.

When you say that the combo was a little low for your liking at 70mph, did the combo not respond well when you stepped into it hard while in 4th? What kind of convertor was in it at the time?



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I have a 4L60E in my Studebaker, same basic trans as a 700R4 just electronically controlled. With 3.80 gears and a 28" rear tire it runs 2100 at 65 mph. We were able to tune the trans so if I nail it under about 58 mph it drops to second and snaps your head back. Above that speed it drops into 3rd and still pulls hard. I have a 2800 stall Yank converter that locks up at cruise and releases if you step down on the throttle.

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lemme try and answer Pat and yourself in one go...

OK Pat - I like the 700 here vs the 4L80 etc due to  the not fly by wire aspect - another associate  I have builds them for TCI ( I know right!) - mine will be cheaper of course and we've run one in a S/S car for a cpl years behind a full tilt boogie BBC -  mine wont be as modded  as that one but when built they are just fine... and - I'm familiar ( somewhat)  - that's a huge deal for me - simplicity...us Okies just got indoor plumbin a few years ago and this whole computers/electricity thang still has us nervous... also - in keeping with the old/new thing on this big destroyer - it fits the scheme perfectly. ( and I know already it'll fit like a glove! - until I get to the using the 3 on the tree as my gear selector for the automatic... that'll be an adventure - ya'll may learn some new swear words) and yup Pat...I have 3 of em actually - one will be the core for this beefy one.

Bowtie Gent: - in my C10 ( a piece of it is in my avatar lol) That little pickup has a 406 SBC - roller blah blah Alum Heads blah blah - I bought the GMPP ramjet intake setup - w injectors and the limited MEFI4 ECM - since the motor was more uummph than the design on that induction system - AZ Speed did a reflash and we bought dbl sized injectors - motor's pretty healthy - I swapped in a built 700r4 behind it - 2800 converter - Hughes I think - anyway - it's a truck - tends to not stick too well unless you throw money at it - so we didn't - it's a driver and just fun truck I got new... the 1st 3 gears were perfect - great pull - spacing was ideal - 4th was a little low IF you were just joooglin down the hwy at 70-75...I blamed it on the rear end but didn't swap it for other gears - I went and put a TR6060 6 spd in it just to say I did... and honestly - 1-5 are great - for 6th I need to be going abt 100 to get any pull out of it... basically same as the 700 just another usable couple gears in between...maybe it'd be good for Bonneville or sumn like that but then again - those squarebodies are about as aerodynamic as a barn. it's still fun regardless and folks can't believe I put a high dollar trans in it - but - I'm stupid like that - if you tell me I can't- I'll do it just to say I could - even if it's just wrong - but hey - I'll admit it!... I think 4:11's in that truck or even 4:56's would be ideal - it weighs right at 4k...Biscayne is abt 7-800 less (estimate of "will be") - and using the red truck as my learning experience - I'm not gonna be as conservative w my gear choice this time.

I kinda get the vibe most folks like the FI  and the computer tuneability- I do too trust me...I wanted a big block to do a tribute car - since I went LS and kinda screwed that all up - I kinda dig keepin the rest quasi old school... and I'm pretty stubborn... hell, if I find another decent Biscayne ( Wagon maybe?) I'd love to toss an LML Duramax in one..."shock and awe" lol

 

 



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Keeping your Old school vibe, I have seen some fuel rail covers for LS motors that look like BBC valve covers. With their separated exhaust ports and a carb and manifold, you might even fool some people if they don't go looking for a distributor, lol. Looking forward to your progress.

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Nice parts and plan you have there looking foward to you progress and outcome!! Should be a super fun car !!

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Timbo405 wrote:

lemme try and answer Pat and yourself in one go...

OK Pat - I like the 700 here vs the 4L80 etc due to  the not fly by wire aspect - another associate  I have builds them for TCI ( I know right!) - mine will be cheaper of course and we've run one in a S/S car for a cpl years behind a full tilt boogie BBC -  mine wont be as modded  as that one but when built they are just fine... and - I'm familiar ( somewhat)  - that's a huge deal for me - simplicity...us Okies just got indoor plumbin a few years ago and this whole computers/electricity thang still has us nervous... also - in keeping with the old/new thing on this big destroyer - it fits the scheme perfectly. ( and I know already it'll fit like a glove! - until I get to the using the 3 on the tree as my gear selector for the automatic... that'll be an adventure - ya'll may learn some new swear words) and yup Pat...I have 3 of em actually - one will be the core for this beefy one.

Bowtie Gent: - in my C10 ( a piece of it is in my avatar lol) That little pickup has a 406 SBC - roller blah blah Alum Heads blah blah - I bought the GMPP ramjet intake setup - w injectors and the limited MEFI4 ECM - since the motor was more uummph than the design on that induction system - AZ Speed did a reflash and we bought dbl sized injectors - motor's pretty healthy - I swapped in a built 700r4 behind it - 2800 converter - Hughes I think - anyway - it's a truck - tends to not stick too well unless you throw money at it - so we didn't - it's a driver and just fun truck I got new... the 1st 3 gears were perfect - great pull - spacing was ideal - 4th was a little low IF you were just joooglin down the hwy at 70-75...I blamed it on the rear end but didn't swap it for other gears - I went and put a TR6060 6 spd in it just to say I did... and honestly - 1-5 are great - for 6th I need to be going abt 100 to get any pull out of it... basically same as the 700 just another usable couple gears in between...maybe it'd be good for Bonneville or sumn like that but then again - those squarebodies are about as aerodynamic as a barn. it's still fun regardless and folks can't believe I put a high dollar trans in it - but - I'm stupid like that - if you tell me I can't- I'll do it just to say I could - even if it's just wrong - but hey - I'll admit it!... I think 4:11's in that truck or even 4:56's would be ideal - it weighs right at 4k...Biscayne is abt 7-800 less (estimate of "will be") - and using the red truck as my learning experience - I'm not gonna be as conservative w my gear choice this time.

I kinda get the vibe most folks like the FI  and the computer tuneability- I do too trust me...I wanted a big block to do a tribute car - since I went LS and kinda screwed that all up - I kinda dig keepin the rest quasi old school... and I'm pretty stubborn... hell, if I find another decent Biscayne ( Wagon maybe?) I'd love to toss an LML Duramax in one..."shock and awe" lol

 

 


 I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume your 406 is making about 425ish at the rear wheels. With that power, I can see how 4th would fall a little flat when tromped on. My 350 may be making around 300+/- in mostly stock trim (dual plane intake is the only change to my knowledge), so 4th for my application may be better well suited.

With a 15" rim and 275's mounted on them (out back), i'm wondering if a 2500 stall would be a good choice for my application once I decide to swap to the 700R4. 

Your little '85 sounds like a ton of fun.



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Seriously - I have no idea what it makes... more specifics tho on it - rear wheels ( 15x12) original steel rallyes from stockton - custom width - running a big 29"x13.5" Hoosier tire on the back - along with the rear end ratio - that height prob reduces that final drive ratio quite a bit also. Don't get me wrong - the 700 was great and would have been awesome if I wasn't so damn ADD/OCD and had a bit more sense than free time LOL

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Tim, i'm also carb"ing" my ls in my '83 chevy shortwide for my daily,parts truck.You lose some but gain some and I like carbs! Love Your biscayne and plans for it.



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Got a little done today...

Hope everyone had a Happy Thanksgiving...or a great Thursday!



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